How To Fix Peep Sight Rotation

wildernessmaster

I feel like with my bows I am peep sight hell... Everytime I get a peep sight working right, suddenly I pick up the bow and now its crazy twisting. Past crazy twisting, I am not significant a slight pitter-patter, but where the peep all of a sudden won't align hardly at all and later you do get it mostly aligned for a few shots, information technology suddenly is making a i/4+ rotation.

This happened with my Mission (I sold). The only thing I could figure out with information technology was that one of cables had frayed a bit. Replaced it but it still didn't hold a good alignment.

My diamond sb deploy has been rock solid with the peep, and now suddenly I pull it out subsequently a month of being unused and it is doing the crazy peep routine on me. The strings and cables look solid on it. Granted I hunted difficult with it this year so it saw a lot of utilise, climate changes, etc.

I am edifice out 2 new bows for next season (besides as want to go this diamond "right" - its a great lightweight bow) and I want to go peep alignment and more so the of a sudden crazy peep routine off my list of "killing my archery buzz".

How frequently should I expect peeps to go crazy similar this? Is it a sign of something?

How tin can I get all my peeps improve served to avoid minor to crazy rotations like this? I have watched dozens of "How to make your peep align videos" and tried some of the ideas, but it seems like peeps pitter-patter (a lot - or do my peeps just not like me)?

Are there means you tin minimize the peep pitter-patter in terms of storage, maintenance, etc = or is peep creep just gonna e'er be a "archery buzz kill"?

I am aware their are systems you lot can tie in (rubber tubes) that bring a peep into perfect alignment, but I want to keep my bows KISS... Considering when I hunt I hunt hard and don't demand any additional failure points.

Give thanks you in advance for input.

540-Virginian

Stock strings? You shoot a Defection right? How many arrows accept you shot through it?

My Revolt took over a month of shooting and going to pro shop twice to get the peep aligned perfect and finally ready. Just happens. I think I shot close to 600 arrows in that time. Manufactory strings suck from what I've heard. Especially BT'south. Pro shop said information technology'due south mutual with new bow.

chadcharb

If your buying quality custom cord sets it shouldn't be a problem at all. Most manufactory strings volition have some movement because they're cut cost by adding a cheaper string and cablevision ready. Typically the cheaper the bow is new the worse they will be.
Here'south what I do. Purchase a quality fix of strings and cables from a reputable builder, hog wire, ghost, John Mosier ect... at that place's a ton out there. Get them on your bow and in spec and put 150-200 arrows through your bow before you lot ever put your peep in. Let them shoot in and settle, skilful strings may not move at all and if they exercise it will be very lilliputian. Then tie in your peep and it shouldn't exist an effect at all.

Stalker69

I know what you mean. I detest it when it turns even simply a hair. Most pre twist earlier they shoot, I hate having to exercise that. I have been in arguments with several friends over the years that say they don't have to pre twist. I have filmed them doing it every fourth dimension they shoot, they just don't even realize they do information technology. I am trying something unlike I have come upward with, simply haven't shot information technology at long distance or for a long time to see how information technology'south going to piece of work in the long run. I shoot all year and peep is fine, I go down to Texas, Arizona, Florida to hunt and its always is a little to a lot off and I accept to pre twist, I detest it. I accept spent a ton of money on custom strings and different bows and still have to pre twist some, a lot of the fourth dimension, and information technology drives me basics.

wildernessmaster

Stock strings? Y'all shoot a Revolt correct? How many arrows have you shot through it?
My Defection took over a month of shooting and going to pro store twice to get the peep aligned perfect and finally set. Simply happens. I think I shot close to 600 arrows in that fourth dimension. Factory strings suck from what I've heard. Especially BT'south. Pro shop said it's common with new bow.

I take a Diamond SB-Deploy, a Bowtech Revolt, and a Elite Kure (the afterward two I am building out similar I desire). The issue is with the Diamond. Not stock strings, I had them replaced. And I shot the thing all last year probably 500+ arrows. Information technology ran flawlessly all hunting flavor - literally did non accept to touch my peep at all. So poof it is crazy rotating.

OctoberGold

The result is with your string 100%. A practiced quality set won't rotate afterward it settles in. I'd pull the strings and cables, check lengths, twist them back to spec and reinstall. My guess is you had some creep. Sometimes adding a full twist to the string and so adjusting for peep rotation will exercise the trick.

wapitibob

A adept string won't move from summer to winter nor will it motion after sitting for a month. Throw it in the garbage and get a good one. If a mfg tells you lot his product needs to be shot 100 times to settle, walk away.
If I was ownership today I'd buy GAS.

540-Virginian · Jan 21, 2021

A expert string won't motility from summer to winter nor will it move after sitting for a month. Throw it in the garbage and become a good i. If a mfg tells you his product needs to exist shot 100 times to settle, walk away.
If I was ownership today I'd buy GAS.

im looking at GAS but what is difference betwixt their two/three vs four/5 kit yous know by risk thanks! Sorry OP for side rail.

Edit: thanks to GAS customer support depends on bow and number of strings cables needed. Mine is a ii/three pack.

wildernessmaster

A adept cord won't move from summer to wintertime nor will information technology move after sitting for a month. Throw it in the garbage and get a good one. If a mfg tells yous his product needs to be shot 100 times to settle, walk away.
If I was buying today I'd buy GAS.

Unleaded or Premium?

GAS?

wildernessmaster

Update...

So I put information technology in the bow press and fabricated a half plough opposite of the rotation (on the lesser string). At residue the peep sits perfectly directly. The problem is when I draw the bow, it rotates a little over a 1/4 counterclockwise.

I also just realized (because I went to tighten up the limb pockets to lxx#southward - had had it at 65) that the limb pockets are fully tightened and I am barely getting 63#south out of it.

Is that a pretty good indication the strings are stretched? Is it besides much to tighten or should I replace.

BTW, I don't recollect the make but these were put on by a bow store and were premium stings (non factories). I remember the strings were about $140ish.

wildernessmaster

Update...
And so I put it in the bow press and fabricated a half turn contrary of the rotation (on the lesser string). At rest the peep sits perfectly straight. The trouble is when I draw the bow, it rotates a little over a 1/4 counterclockwise.

I also just realized (because I went to tighten upwardly the limb pockets to seventy#s - had had it at 65) that the limb pockets are fully tightened and I am barely getting 63#s out of it.

Is that a pretty good indication the strings are stretched? Is it too much to tighten or should I supervene upon.

BTW, I don't remember the brand but these were put on by a bow shop and were premium stings (not factories). I think the strings were well-nigh $140ish.

I also just noticed when I was shooting it there is a much more pronounced sound in the limbs similar a whack.

wapitibob · January 21, 2021

Update...
And then I put it in the bow press and fabricated a half plow contrary of the rotation (on the bottom string). At rest the peep sits perfectly straight. The trouble is when I draw the bow, information technology rotates a little over a 1/4 counterclockwise.

I also just realized (because I went to tighten up the limb pockets to 70#southward - had had it at 65) that the limb pockets are fully tightened and I am barely getting 63#s out of it.

Is that a pretty good indication the strings are stretched? Is it besides much to tighten or should I supervene upon.

BTW, I don't remember the brand but these were put on past a bow shop and were premium stings (not factories). I retrieve the strings were about $140ish.

That 1/4 rotation is mutual for most manufacturing plant and many custom strings. A good harness won't creep and drop your bow weight; the builder will use the max number of strands to fit the cam grooves and use plenty tension that zippo will motility. Once they start to move they won't cease.

You have a bow press and know how to apply it, purchase directly. Call GAS, tell them you bought premium strings, they sucked, and see what they'll do for y'all.

The guy making steve anderson'due south strings is good besides.

The custom string business organization was started by Tom Nealy who and so partnered with Mike Slinkard and they started Winners Choice Bowstrings. Griggs was working for Elite when TOG bought winners selection and he moved over and ran that new acquisition till he quit and started GAS.
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Coveyleader

Going against the grain here, but the rubber tube will accept care of that issue. Been using them forever, never an issue in the field. Every time I desire to go tubeless I meet a postal service similar this. No cheers.

sndmn11

Post a picture of how your peep(due south) are tied in.

Reburn

1 of 2 options
#1 your stings are shit. Could have been built that way or you could have F'ed them up.
#2 you lot tied your peep in way too tight.

Dont necktie your peep like a gorilla. Peeps shouldnt motility when you lot draw. If they exercise something is wrong.
If you are putting a bunch of twists or taking out a bunch of twists in your string information technology can crusade rotation. They are speced to have X amount of twist per inch. Deviate from that too much and you will crusade rotation on draw. Tie your peep super tight and it WILL induce rotation at draw. Or the strings just peradventure low quality and are creeping (permanent elongation). When a string creeps it will crusade the peep to rotate at rest. Creeping due to broad temp fluctuations can happen depending on the string textile. But thats a whole nother ball of wax. You volition exist fine with 454 or x99 for temp stability.

chadcharb

Going against the grain here, simply the safe tube volition have care of that issue. Been using them forever, never an issue in the field. Every time I want to become tubeless I encounter a post like this. No thank you.

The rubber tube is a bandaid. If your peep is twisting information technology'southward an indicator that something is incorrect and your bow is by and large likely no longer in time or tune. There'southward a reason you only see them on cheap bows.

chadcharb

Update...
And so I put it in the bow press and made a half plow opposite of the rotation (on the lesser string). At rest the peep sits perfectly straight. The problem is when I draw the bow, information technology rotates a lilliputian over a 1/4 counterclockwise.

I likewise just realized (because I went to tighten up the limb pockets to seventy#south - had had information technology at 65) that the limb pockets are fully tightened and I am barely getting 63#s out of information technology.

Is that a pretty good indication the strings are stretched? Is it too much to tighten or should I replace.

BTW, I don't think the make but these were put on by a bow shop and were premium stings (not factories). I think the strings were about $140ish.

That's a huge indicator that things have stretched. If you lot measure your ata it'll most probable come up in pretty long which is why your dw is low. A typical shop will charge 140+ for cord swaps. The strings are typically around 100 and whatever they accuse over that is too cover the bandy and tune time in the shop.

Coveyleader

The prophylactic tube is a bandaid. If your peep is twisting it's an indicator that something is wrong and your bow is by and large likely no longer in fourth dimension or tune. There's a reason you simply see them on cheap bows.

That's why I said I was going against the grain, but in saying that, I've never had a twist problem, tin't say that about hunting partner. When I pull back, I know the peep volition be right in that location. I'm not disagreeing at all, simply maxim for me information technology works and has worked well for all types of game in all types of weather, humidity, etc.

doncarpenter

Update...
So I put it in the bow press and made a half plough contrary of the rotation (on the bottom string). At rest the peep sits perfectly directly. The problem is when I draw the bow, it rotates a fiddling over a 1/4 counterclockwise.

I also just realized (because I went to tighten up the limb pockets to 70#s - had had it at 65) that the limb pockets are fully tightened and I am barely getting 63#s out of it.

Is that a pretty practiced indication the strings are stretched? Is it as well much to tighten or should I replace.

BTW, I don't remember the brand simply these were put on past a bow shop and were premium stings (not factories). I think the strings were near $140ish.

You're 7 lbs calorie-free with the pockets confronting the riser? That's definitely a string and cable issue. If you get you lot're strings from your pro shop then I would accept it dorsum to them. If they are stock strings, I would order a gear up.

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Here are a couple good videos on peep sights.

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wildernessmaster

Thank you for all the input here... You "its your strings" guys I believe are spot on... I called Diamond to get some insight. They recommended I measure the ATA and it was over spec. They said more than likely its the strings.

They were Vapor Trail strings and cables (not cheap $130). They were put on in Oct of 2018. I did not utilise the bow that year. Starting last January I was shooting the bow 20+ times a day - and equally I said previously used it through hunting season pretty hard.

Question, how oftentimes should you lot take to replace your strings. Permit's say the bow has 2000-3000 arrows through it. Is that plenty to have the strings get out like this?

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